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Goodbye and Good luck

Post by Zeroni on Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:37 pm

Hello, for the last time.
During past 3 months, we have worked together with the ePhilippine government into making a stronger country. That was our goal why we came here. But, after time passed by, we started being called liars,Traitors (i was even been called a retard once). We were attacked for being here 3 months and as you said "not doing anything".
I suppose i have to remind you what was my PERSONAL achievements and sacrifice in order to help you progress (whole group did, but i can only speak about me and Fuse).

- No one cares about how we prevented 3 (yes, 3) PTO's to your country by pulling strings.

- No one cares how i lost 1 month of work being in your country with no job offers, hanging around to help you.

- No one cares how me and good part of this group filled your companies with high leveled 100 well workers

- No one cares that i spent days trying to get any job in the government, just so you could start trust me at least a bit.

- No one cares i dedicated hours and hours of time talking to EACH AND SINGLE ONE OF YOU about our plans and answering EVERY QUESTION you had.

- No one cares my whole team followed all important congressman proposals to the way it would benefit your country.

So, what did we receive in the return?

- Mocking and insults on extremely high levels

- Signing MPP's with USA and as excuse using TW (there were 2 other options)

- Fighting against everything we came to do here, and fighting against my own country.

- and finally, Blockage of congress elections.

I am extremely disappointed by all actions taken by you and your government. Do you think we should be thanking you for something here?
Last 3 days, i started being attacked regularly on your channel, how by witty comments on you hitting with all your strength against Serbia, how by many other things and insults which was a reason i stopped coming at all.

From everything i saw in last 3 months, i came to conclusion you DONT want to see your country advancing. Maybe you just like it small because there is small amount of peoples you have to compete for Presidential medals? I do not know.

When we came here, someone asked me why? I answered because we see great potential in the country. Yet, however, that same country turned its back on us, and started to destroy itself.
By blocking us you clearly confirmed everything negative, as we are officially announced to be PTO'ers of your country (i don't even want to think whether was there EDEN influence in this). And as i previously stated, for 200 times, this is not PTO team.
As such, i am more then pleased to announce that this team is DISBANDED.

Oh, by the way, remember the "gift"? that was supposed to be around 100-500 gold donation to your country from my unit and team in goal of opening companies and helping many other aspects, but ePhilippines decided to sell themself for 150 Golds.
That's right, you sold yourself and you are now NOT a member but a PROPERTY of EDEN. Like it or not.

You wont receive help from us anymore, because you do not deserve it. We will all move back to our eLifes, and many will change their citizenships.
I reckon ePhilippines made their biggest mistake ever. It is most likely you will never see any of us again, except on other side of battlefield, but this again, was your choice.

Good luck in future 'Development'
and GoodBye.
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Re: Goodbye and Good luck

Post by Fuse on Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:41 pm

Couldn't agree more on this.
As it was said before, we never were a PTO team. We could make a PTO, but we didn't want to... we tried our best, and you fucked up.
Guess everybody makes mistakes.

Goodbye. Stay happy, smile every day and kiss some more USA buts! o/
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Re: Goodbye and Good luck

Post by Chopp on Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:43 am

I must say that I agree with that thing about USA MPP.
About most of other things... I don't know... I'm not familiar with that particular situation...
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Re: Goodbye and Good luck

Post by sansae2 on Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:49 am

You need to understand the Filipino history before you talk dudu..... We've been through with the Spanish, Japs, and Uncle Sam..... PTO is a parasite...
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Re: Goodbye and Good luck

Post by Slothen on Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:59 am

It seems to me, and I see a lot, that the key factor of this incident has been clearly miscommunication, and in more ways than just one. I am sorry to hear the level of misconceptual accusation and how your effort has been almost subconsciously been nullified by the general atmosphere, but there are certainly some things that need some further clearance. Let me clarify this a little, for there are a number of parts in which I find your logic ill.

Firstly I would like to say some things about your approach, Zeroni. You have been working from behind the schenes very hard without asking, which in itself is quite valiant, yet not the easiest way to enter the community. There were times when the ePinoy community was grateful for any kind of contribution, and appreciated any kind of help, even that coming from behind the schenes. However, this is different in your case. You must note, Zeroni, that all your predecessors were PTO captains. Even the fact that you are not one doesn't remove the shadow of their crimes, and that's why none of those who possess your nationality, or that of eUSA or any other hot shots who are making the calls in big alliances. Since its founding, the nation of ePhilippines has been tried by various PTO teams from around the globe, and after all that effort and pain they have suffered it is totally understandable that most eFilipinos are still suspicious towards strangers.

You people claim that you have prevented three PTO attempts in total. That's splendid, but in this case, Zeroni, you are being betrayed by your teammates. Chopp here, for instance, declared himself as a real PTOer a while ago, since he was a member of the initial teams that launched attacks on the entire eSouth Eastern Asia. Your total number of posts are each less than 18, and you don't really participate in the administration. Each of you have granted ePhilippine citizenship to only your former countrymen, some of which have declared themselves eSerbian PTO members in other cases. This might seem a bit suspicious to some of the most patriotic eFilipinos, and it is clearly understandable that they don't want to let some of you to run for congress from their ranks.



Gentlemen, this is the ePhilippines, which is governed by a DEMOCRATIC ORDER. Participate if you want to make a difference in a democracy. Any other attempts to gain control over the democratic rule are considered as PTO attempts. If you want to show not as a PTO team pulling out raids in every corner, then I have to ask you to stop acting as one.
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Re: Goodbye and Good luck

Post by Chopp on Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:36 am

Slothen wrote:It seems to me, and I see a lot, that the key factor of this incident has been clearly miscommunication, and in more ways than just one. I am sorry to hear the level of misconceptual accusation and how your effort has been almost subconsciously been nullified by the general atmosphere, but there are certainly some things that need some further clearance. Let me clarify this a little, for there are a number of parts in which I find your logic ill.

Firstly I would like to say some things about your approach, Zeroni. You have been working from behind the schenes very hard without asking, which in itself is quite valiant, yet not the easiest way to enter the community. There were times when the ePinoy community was grateful for any kind of contribution, and appreciated any kind of help, even that coming from behind the schenes. However, this is different in your case. You must note, Zeroni, that all your predecessors were PTO captains. Even the fact that you are not one doesn't remove the shadow of their crimes, and that's why none of those who possess your nationality, or that of eUSA or any other hot shots who are making the calls in big alliances. Since its founding, the nation of ePhilippines has been tried by various PTO teams from around the globe, and after all that effort and pain they have suffered it is totally understandable that most eFilipinos are still suspicious towards strangers.


You people claim that you have prevented three PTO attempts in total. That's splendid, but in this case, Zeroni, you are being betrayed by your teammates. Chopp here, for instance, declared himself as a real PTOer a while ago, since he was a member of the initial teams that launched attacks on the entire eSouth Eastern Asia. Your total number of posts are each less than 18, and you don't really participate in the administration. Each of you have granted ePhilippine citizenship to only your former countrymen, some of which have declared themselves eSerbian PTO members in other cases. This might seem a bit suspicious to some of the most patriotic eFilipinos, and it is clearly understandable that they don't want to let some of you to run for congress from their ranks.



Gentlemen, this is the ePhilippines, which is governed by a DEMOCRATIC ORDER. Participate if you want to make a difference in a democracy. Any other attempts to gain control over the democratic rule are considered as PTO attempts. If you want to show not as a PTO team pulling out raids in every corner, then I have to ask you to stop acting as one.
Hehe, I rememver those days Very Happy
Zaeban covek came here and in his Citizenship application he said something like: I am the leader of Serbian PTO group an I have come here to PTO you. Please give me a citizenship
LOL Razz
That's the past, now I'm just a regular citizen. Very Happy
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Re: Goodbye and Good luck

Post by Slothen on Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:26 am

Chopp wrote:That's the past, now I'm just a regular citizen. Very Happy

Yet you have shown no change since then, or anything else on the matter. It's hard to tell since none of you post anything in the media (your lulz articles doesn't count, Chopp thumbs up , I'm talking about serious articles).

Anyway, the message is the same to you all. If you want to get involved, take part in reviving the media. Nobody really knows about your deeds, because there is no way an ordinary citizen could see what you have done and whether you mean good or harm with them. Chatting in irc isn't the way to deal with it either, since only a few members are actively available. You can't reach the masses by chatting nicely to few people idling online, you have to go out and campaign.

I don't know what your idea of this game's political regime is, but the ePhilippine community can only be reached through active campaigning. This is a democratic nation; if the result doesn't satisfy you then FIGHT against it; go out and campaign, campaign, CAMPAIGN! Disbanding a political party that never acted as one is not an expression or anything. Now go out and VOTE. Write articles. Talk politics. Go out and PLAY THE GAME as it was designed to be played and make the difference.
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Re: Goodbye and Good luck

Post by Chopp on Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:00 pm

Slothen wrote:
Chopp wrote:That's the past, now I'm just a regular citizen. Very Happy

Yet you have shown no change since then, or anything else on the matter. It's hard to tell since none of you post anything in the media (your lulz articles doesn't count, Chopp thumbs up , I'm talking about serious articles).

Anyway, the message is the same to you all. If you want to get involved, take part in reviving the media. Nobody really knows about your deeds, because there is no way an ordinary citizen could see what you have done and whether you mean good or harm with them. Chatting in irc isn't the way to deal with it either, since only a few members are actively available. You can't reach the masses by chatting nicely to few people idling online, you have to go out and campaign.

I don't know what your idea of this game's political regime is, but the ePhilippine community can only be reached through active campaigning. This is a democratic nation; if the result doesn't satisfy you then FIGHT against it; go out and campaign, campaign, CAMPAIGN! Disbanding a political party that never acted as one is not an expression or anything. Now go out and VOTE. Write articles. Talk politics. Go out and PLAY THE GAME as it was designed to be played and make the difference.

So, by those criteria, how many regular citizens ePH have? 10?

If U want that from me then and I'll never will be regular citizen of any country in the world Very Happy
I'm not a journalist and I never will be.
I'm not a politician and I never will be.
I chat in IRC only if I must, I really don't like that.

P.s. I really don't want to say anything more. I'm tired of this.
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Re: Goodbye and Good luck

Post by Zeroni on Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:10 pm

Chopp was never a part of my team, as i said before.
and i cant see what would i be able to do with articles and everything if a country haves 40 active peoples, and they all are against my team for no reason, not to mention the stubbornness by which i had to explain every single thing to everyone 100 times, and when it comes to discussion, i found it that you can talk for hours with one person and answer every question he haves and yet, tomorrow, he will be spinning the same story...
I also like how some of them present them self like "true filipinos" but are actually from USA,Ireland,Bosnia etc etc.. Maybe a reason for hostility is that ePhillipines are already under a PTO? :)
By the way, Slothen, i found you to be the only person a man could actually talk and discuss, and i want to thank you for that, so, thank you :)
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Re: Goodbye and Good luck

Post by indielfi on Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:18 pm

Heh :)

- No one cares about how we prevented 3 (yes, 3) PTO's to your country by pulling strings.
--- Thank you. We would probably "care" if we were informed about these PTOs :) We did actually blocked Indo multis trying to PTO us. It may not be much like your 'pulling strings' but I'm proud of it because we worked together and we were able to stop it. Yay us!

- No one cares i dedicated hours and hours of time talking to EACH AND SINGLE ONE OF YOU about our plans and answering EVERY QUESTION you had.
--- Actually you did, thanks :) But of course it is just natural that we would want more details and updates about it, after all as you said it's been 3 months since you were here but you've been being vague with your answers lately. You mentioned that companies you were planning to start here and bringing people to work here. We were worried about this "more people?" and you assured us they will not require citizenship, they will be here only to work. But these words don't really match the action from you guys, seeing all those unauthorized CS approvals. If you were in our place, what will you think? Won't you have any doubts?

- No one cares my whole team followed all important congressman proposals to the way it would benefit your country.
--- Unauthorized citizenship approvals.

So, what did we receive in the return?

- Mocking and insults on extremely high levels
--- Unfortunately, trolling has become part of eRep but eRep =/= RL, we should not take it so personally (I just learned this myself as well). We actually suck at trolling :/

- Signing MPP's with USA and as excuse using TW (there were 2 other options)
--- How many members of your group were elected as congress members and were given access to the congress thread where every congress member can raise an issue they are concerned about? MPP with US was decided by voting. Jelly published an article about it saying it will depend on the votes. You and the members of your group decided not exercise your rights to vote as a congress member to block that. I'm not part of the congress and I personally don't agree with that MPP and I put it out there. I questioned if they are ready to face the consequence if ever this will push through. Again, you decided not to vote and not participate in the discussion, IMO, that forfeits your right to complain about it and throw it to the faces of the people who actually took time to vote and discussed. You could have done something to prevent it, yet you decided not to do anything.

And I may not personally agree with the US MPP but I understand where these people who voted 'Yes' to that proposal are coming from. Call it opportunistic if you want, heck you can call it as selling our souls to the very devil itself but for them it's for free wars :)

From everything i saw in last 3 months, i came to conclusion you DONT want to see your country advancing. Maybe you just like it small because there is small amount of peoples you have to compete for Presidential medals? I do not know.
--- That is assuming a lot but that's your opinion. Here's mine. Maybe we had a bad experience from your eCountrymen and we are wary of people from your eCountry bulldozing their way to our eCountry telling us they are here to help us as if we don't have choice in the matter. I'll ask you this, if a group of eCroatians went to eSerbia and announced that they will help eSerbia, will you easily trust those people? I think not. Piece of advice (you can take it or not), also applicable in RL, if you want to help someone, you don't push them to accept your help, you offer and you let them decide if they want it or not and if they accept it you work with them, you don't arrogantly tell them what you want to do or leave them in the dark and expect them to just accept it, after all it's their life, in this case, it's our eCountry. It may not be much, we may not be as great as eSerbia but we worked hard for where we are and what we have now and we won't throw that away easily if we think we are being threatened. Trust and respect are earned, no one can demand these from anyone.

It's also funny that you think we don't want advancement for our eCountry, if we don't care about our eCountry we will not have this discussion at all. We will not be this paranoid about being PTO'd again :)


By blocking us you clearly confirmed everything negative, as we are officially announced to be PTO'ers of your country (i don't even want to think whether was there EDEN influence in this). And as i previously stated, for 200 times, this is not PTO team.
As such, i am more then pleased to announce that this team is DISBANDED.

Oh, by the way, remember the "gift"? that was supposed to be around 100-500 gold donation to your country from my unit and team in goal of opening companies and helping many other aspects, but ePhilippines decided to sell themself for 150 Golds.
That's right, you sold yourself and you are now NOT a member but a PROPERTY of EDEN. Like it or not.
--- I'm going with the not. We joined them for the free wars :) It will be difficult to be a property of something/someone we don't care about and most of us don't care about the PHX and EDEN alliances and their propaganda. Check our media if you must :) You have no idea how many offers we turned down from US/Eden if we don't think it will not be beneficial for the country and how many offers we didn't receive from PHX. Opportunistic as I said earlier ;)

You wont receive help from us anymore, because you do not deserve it. We will all move back to our eLifes, and many will change their citizenships.
I reckon ePhilippines made their biggest mistake ever. It is most likely you will never see any of us again, except on other side of battlefield, but this again, was your choice.
--- Biggest mistake? I don't think so, we have yet to do that ;) It's your 'help' to give, you can decide who deserves to receive it and who isn't, your choice. Like it's our choice if we want to accept it or not (if we are suspicious and paranoid about it). Free will and choices FTW :)


Good luck in future 'Development'
and GoodBye.
--- Thanks and good luck as well on your future endeavors o/
o.

PS Oh yeah Fuse thanks for the good wishes :) we don't plan on kissing any butts though, yours or the US ;)

PPS
I also like how some of them present them self like "true filipinos" but are actually from USA,Ireland,Bosnia etc etc.. Maybe a reason for hostility is that ePhillipines are already under a PTO? :)
--- Now these people are the one who actually helped us when we needed help, they offered and they let us decide if we want to accept it or not, we accepted it :) They were here when we needed to RW our regions back when we were wiped out, they were here when we needed ATO votes, they were here when we were (and still are) slowly getting back to our feet, and they didn't even needed citizenship for all that (well, except for the ATO voting ;)). They stayed with us and earned our trust. :) And where were you? Probably, on the other side of the battlefield as you said but that's understandable. :)

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Re: Goodbye and Good luck

Post by Slothen on Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:26 pm

Thank you, indielfi and Zeroni, it has been fun arguing with the both of you.

Firstly, I would like to remind you all why this game was established in the first place. That is, I am briefly illustrating you why this game was meant to be played, though you can play it whichever way you want. You may make it a gang fight if you want, but in order to reduce discrimitating, we could join our forces and work for a mutual goal, to rebuild this country. This country needs journalists, entrepneurs, politicians... and ordinary citizens. I am not asking you to take part in the gameplay, but if you really want to make a difference without the need to take over the whole political regime, then do it by voting and participating like everyone else. I have no idea how you pick your governmental organs in eSerbia, but here in the ePhilippines it is based on democratic rule (With the exception of suspected PTO attempts in which the people tend to join together in fight against a mutual foe; during my long eLife I have come to find that many things may be said of ePinoy, but above all they are patriotic). So go ahead and try. You don't have to be a Pulizer prize winner, you are not expected to be, so go ahead and attend. Get involved. It is true that many of us are actually from abroad, but these people have served here long and abandoned their former nations. They are eFilipinos now, and recognized as such by those who live in the Philippines in real life. I, for instance, am originally from the eUK, but renounced my citizenship when I came here. And that happened long before the actual citizenship feature.

Aye, there are not so many players left anymore. Many are gone because of the natural disaster that struck Manila at the end of last year, and I can't blame them ! Beside that, I guess we could say the dramatic changes the erepublik team had introduced in the past were another this sort of 'disaster', though joking with a grave serious thing by pulling it to the same level with any in-game incident is not polite. Quite the opposite, it is very rude.
But as usual, I welcome all who wish to contribute this country, but you have to play the game just like everybody else Very Happy

Lastly, Chopp, I want to say that I never expected any of those from you. I just wanted to notify you about these facts, since you are our most stubborn troll we have ever had. Very Happy Just try to fix your argumentation, you start to sound like some weird erepublik version of Sarah Palin sarcastic
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Re: Goodbye and Good luck

Post by Jelly on Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:10 pm

Oh yes zeroni, just because I'm not RL filipino I'm a pto'r. You funny mr.


Anyway, I'm not going to waste too much time on this post as I've seen this over and over again already.

1. Thanks for stopping 3 PTO's, why not let us know about that beforehand...
2. You FORCED your way into the country, FORCED your way into Congress and FORCED your friends into this country.

Never did I see you or anyone in your group follow the correct procedures regarding congressional runs and activities and definetely not regarding citizenships. Follow our rules and maybe we'd actually like to call you eFilipino and not PTO'rs.

3. 3 options on Wargames. Yes there were 3, here, I'll write them out for you.

USA- Passed, offered more wars then the colombian-venezuelan war. Had this offer came before we joined the war games I would have accepted. It doesnt matter who is on our MPP list, it matters how often we get to fight and how cost effective it is. Helping malaysia-thailand get free and getting revenge on Indonesia is certainly a bonus though.

Colombia- This was talked and debated even before I took office. When the option was re-opened I accepted it. Compared to eUSA's offer we payeed a mighty price for these wars.

Malaysia- We had an open war, we are good friends and all that, however unfortunetely malaysia did not want to have TW's until they held control over all of their regions.



I'm glad you decide to attack my friends and fellow eFilipino's here.

Let me know where you go, I may send a postcard someday and return your favors you've apparently done here. Leader

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Re: Goodbye and Good luck

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Re: Goodbye and Good luck

Post by Rupert Jaradal on Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:26 am

/me facepalms

you said it all indie:))

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Post by Rupert Jaradal on Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:28 am

im so proud of my ecountrymen.Very Happy
and i just hate eserbs. well, except for suhy.

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