Epic IRC Convo (Yes I know this is no non-erep forum)

[PatrickR]

Epicly exasperating IRC conversations with Goku:

<GokuJones> iain said he'll propose bob himself in a few days, does that still stand?
<IndieKid> really?
<IndieKid> cool
<Mailak_Kalan> Yes
<GokuJones> he ain't getitng in unless you can convince me hes a good legislator though
<IndieKid> bob
<IndieKid> he's done loads for the eUK
<GokuJones> links please
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<Hassan[SC]> O.M.F.G
<Hassan[SC]> How many times have we told you?
<IndieKid> he's been a mayor 3 times
<Iain_Keers> let's not get derailed
<IndieKid> congressman 8/9 times
<Iain_Keers> i said i'd propose bob
<IndieKid> ran ministries
* hoskin considers getting his dad's shotgun to blow his freaking brains out at this!!
<IndieKid> that sort of thing
<IndieKid> for than you
<PatrickR> This isn't a derailment, we're answering a question
<GokuJones> I'd like some links to laws he's helped on or proposed
<Hassan[SC]> ...
<Hassan[SC]> Look over the last 9 months
<IndieKid> omg
<IndieKid> yep
<Iain_Keers> i'd still like to know why the PCP keep attacking us
<kumnaa> oh you young whippersnappers
<Iain_Keers> we don't attack anyone else
<Hassan[SC]> None of the people in the room are PCP
<Hassan[SC]> Except Kumnaa
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<Hassan[SC]> So I doubt we could help answer...
<Iain_Keers>
<srachit> anyone here can offer me a job in eUK
<Iain_Keers> well the LSD seem to dislike us as well
<srachit> aurum doesnt have any RM
<kumnaa> in what ?
<GokuJones> it's jelousy
<Bestie> No, it isnt
<PatrickR> It really isn't Goku
<Bestie> Plus
<IndieKid> it's not you
<hoskin> what they said
<Hassan[SC]> I can tell you why I dont like TUP if you want? But you'd probably say my reasons were wrong
<PatrickR> 'cause we all want to be like you
<hoskin> haha
<Bestie> Thats a bit of a generalisation Iain
<Iain_Keers> go on then
<IndieKid> lol
<GokuJones> you dont liek them because they run like a real party, and respect desisions supported by thr majority of the party.
<Hassan[SC]> The way I see it, not being in the Party, TUP is acting as one entity on all legislation.
<PatrickR> And we don't Goku
<Hassan[SC]> Actually
<Hassan[SC]> Just what Goku said
<Iain_Keers> not all legislation
<GokuJones> the other parties are "game clans" and dont like it
<Hassan[SC]> I wont continue my answer
<PatrickR> Decisions have to be ratified by the constitution and the PP is subject to the membership
<Hassan[SC]> Goku likes generalising
<Bestie> Have you ever been in LSD, Goku?
<PatrickR> membership*
<Iain_Keers> we had a free vote on the ministerial appointment bill
<GokuJones> yes
<PatrickR> We have free votes on most decisions
<Hassan[SC]> Within the Party Iain?
<kumnaa> PCP wasn't a game clan last I was in it
<PatrickR> And Goku, you do know that this is a game right? Not that I think we don't run our parties like parties
<Iain_Keers> we discussed it internally
<GokuJones> I know it is, Im not saying I agree with TUP. But I can respect them for doing what they belive in
<Hassan[SC]> And people were free to vote their own way?
<Iain_Keers> but i decided the party was divided and since we didn't have any policy on it we had a free vote
<Mailak_Kalan> Yes Hassan
<Hassan[SC]> OK
<Mailak_Kalan> We all talk in TUP and make up a desicion we are all happy with
<Hassan[SC]> How many things have been through Commons where TUP Congressmen were all told to vote the same way? (After party discussion etc)
<GokuJones> The parties that ahte TUP, dont have the will, spirit and drive to compete with them
<Iain_Keers> wellness fast, ministerial reports bill, tax changes
<Iain_Keers> all manifesto pledges
<hoskin> INVADE FRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANCE!!!
<Hassan[SC]> OK
<kumnaa> we tried that
<Hassan[SC]> Thats what I dont like then Iain
<Hassan[SC]> that they have to do it at all
<GokuJones> SO its not ok for TUP to force peopel to vite a certain way, but when I voted against the Incoem tax rises everyone got pissed because..?
<Hassan[SC]> Whatever you say, that its acting like a real Party etc, I still dont agree with ot
<Iain_Keers> it means we have more chance of delivering the promises we make to the public
<Hassan[SC]> I didnt get pissed at you Goku...
<GokuJones> lots did
<Hassan[SC]> Im giving my reasons
<Iain_Keers> well i accept that you disagree with a party whip
<Hassan[SC]> so you can invalidate my reasons cus others got annoyed
<Hassan[SC]> *cant
<Iain_Keers> but if you do then you also disagree with the concept of a party
<Hassan[SC]> In eRepublik, yes
<Iain_Keers> fair enough :)
<GokuJones> and that is hypocrisy, as its IN LAW that I must vote for things previous congresses have passed
<Iain_Keers> honesty is good
<Iain_Keers> we are a professional party
<Hassan[SC]> So why didnt you vote for it?
<Hassan[SC]> (that was at goku)
<GokuJones> because it was against my manifesto
<Hassan[SC]> But you were going against the law
<Hassan[SC]> So surely you expect people to get annoyed
<GokuJones> and because it was passed the rpevious congress
<Hassan[SC]> Its still in law
<GokuJones> its the same thing TUP do, so you cant say I was wrong to vote against it on the forums
<GokuJones> sorry ingame I meant
<Hassan[SC]> When did TUP break laws?
<GokuJones> i didnt mean break laws you fool
<GokuJones> and you know it
<Hassan[SC]> Oh really?
<Hassan[SC]> Calling me a fool
<Hassan[SC]> Very sensible
<kumnaa> GokuJones for president!
<GokuJones> you misread my comment on purpose to derail the conversation
<Hassan[SC]> Ive been perfectly civil with you since we've started this conversation
<Hassan[SC]> and you just randomly call me a fool?
<GokuJones> we are talking about vioting for what we belive in, not the government/party line. not breaking laws
<Hassan[SC]> But in voting for what you believed, you broke the law
<Hesea> Maybe
<GokuJones> and..?
<Hesea> He thinks you're a fool
<Hassan[SC]> So you broke the law, so you shouldnt get pissed off if people get annoyed with you
<Hassan[SC]> You should EXPECT it
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<GokuJones> your a fool for thinking that "breaking the law" was my comparison, what I was blatantly wasn
<IndieKid> he broke the law how?
<GokuJones> I'm not pissed off
<Hesea> yeah
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<Hassan[SC]> He said himself he broke the law
* Hesea how did he break the law
<GokuJones> I'm comparing the government line to the party line of TUP
<Hassan[SC]> I didnt even know he broke the law
<Hassan[SC]> You said you had
<IndieKid> right
* Hesea o lawdy
<Hassan[SC]> Goku said:
<Hassan[SC]> and that is hypocrisy, as its IN LAW that I must vote for things previous congresses have passed
<GokuJones> I only recognise ingame authority.
<GokuJones> well good job derailing hassan
<Hassan[SC]> I derailed now?
<Hassan[SC]> I thought I followed the conversation
<Hassan[SC]> me and Iain came to a nice conclusion
<PatrickR> Goku, don't shift the blame. Be mature and other will return the compliment
<Hassan[SC]> but you decided to make it personally about you
<GokuJones> My point was that TUP vote on the party forums, and then they all vote the same way in congress. In the same way Congress vote on the congress forums, and then all vote the same way ingame.
<GokuJones> there is no difference IMO
<Hassan[SC]> This was never about in-game
<Hassan[SC]> ever
<GokuJones> ?
<Hassan[SC]> OK
<Hassan[SC]> The difference is that its a government acting, not a Party
<GokuJones> and?
<Hassan[SC]> Fucking hell
<GokuJones> TUP is acting like the government does
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<Hassan[SC]> I didnt even want to talk to you about this
<Hassan[SC]> I was trying to talk to Iain
<GokuJones> do you hate the government?
<IndieKid> I don't
<Bestie> lol
<Hassan[SC]> No
<hoskin> :S
<GokuJones> right well stop this bullshit with TUP
<Hassan[SC]> I never started anything!
<GokuJones> they are only emulating the HoC
<Hassan[SC]> Whats your problem?
<Hassan[SC]> I was just discussing their ideology with Iain
<PatrickR> Indeed, what exactly?
<GokuJones> stop trying to derail
=-= GokuJones was booted from #eUK by Hassan[SC] (GokuJones)
<Hassan[SC]> Kicked
<PatrickR> Thank crickey
<Hassan[SC]> fucking hell
<Bestie> Yay +D
* Hassan[SC] abused his powers
<hoskin> WOOP!!
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<Bestie> ^^
<Anonn8> looks like IRC is dead again
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<PatrickR> Well, cake time!
<hoskin> cake time?
<Hassan[SC]> You were kicked for specifically antagonising members of the chat
<Anonn8> I was expecting a conversation between Hassan and Iain keers.
<Hassan[SC]> After you were kicked, the following responses were made:
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<Hassan[SC]> WOOP!!
<Hassan[SC]> PatrickR> Thank crickey
<hoskin> hehe
<Hassan[SC]> Bestie> Yay +D
<hoskin> why wasnt my name put there?
<GokuJones> and erm... that isn't antagonising me?
<hoskin> no, because you weren't here
<Bestie> kick me if you like xD
<Hassan[SC]> Actually, I did just antagonise you
<GokuJones> well he just typed them out to me
<Hassan[SC]> I shall kick myself
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<Bestie> haha
<hoskin> lush
<Hassan[SC]> There we go
<GokuJones> so saying you are derailing a conversation is antagonising you?
<Hassan[SC]> Repeatedly saying it, yes, after I tried to continue the conversation
<Hassan[SC]> And the replies by other members of the chat verified this
<GokuJones> I said it liek twice
<hoskin> more than twice i think..
<GokuJones> I attempted to continue the converation about TUP, and you derailed me again.
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<PatrickR> The irony Goku, is that in saying Hassn here derailed, you derailed and stalled
<GokuJones> but then I continued my point
<Hassan[SC]> I had to react to your points
<PatrickR> The coversation evolved into your comparison between the TUP and Gov which Hassan continued with you
<Hassan[SC]> So I did
<Hassan[SC]> I just followed the conversation like a normal human being
<GokuJones> which I shall go again. TUP is acting like the government, so where does the dislike come from if you guys don't dislaike the government?
<Hassan[SC]> I dont want to continue the conversation
<Hassan[SC]> Sorry
<Hassan[SC]> Someone else can debate with you
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<GokuJones> well the derails and kicking me kinda drove that home
<GokuJones> its a bit immature to do that when you cant answer however
<Bestie> ...
<Hassan[SC]> I tried to answer yu
<Hassan[SC]> Many times
<Hassan[SC]> But you said I was derailing
<Hassan[SC]> so now I give up
<GokuJones> yes, what does me breaking the law have anythign to do with anything
<PatrickR> If you read it, you would know
<hoskin> hassan feel free to kick me for this but Goku: PLEASE SHUT THE crickey UP!!
<Hassan[SC]> ...ive explained that point Goku
<GokuJones> have you.
<Hassan[SC]> Yes
<Hassan[SC]> But you said I was derailing when I did
<Hassan[SC]> So you probably ignored it
<GokuJones> about me not being surprised about people being pissed off?
<PatrickR> A derail would would be: Death Cab for Cutie is awesome (which it is), it needs to be wildly off the subject really
<GokuJones> perhaps it isnt the right word then
<GokuJones> but the fact is that I never said I was pissed at anyone
<GokuJones> the law breaking wasnt part of the comparison
<GokuJones> hence why I thought you derailed, talking about a slightly different subject
<GokuJones> I see this is a waste of time, so I'll leave you to your spamming
<Hassan[SC]> But when you inrtoduced YOUR example of voting against government, it doesnt apply because that is against the law. When TUP vote, that isn't against the law
=-= Mode #euk +o Hassan[SC] by kumnaa
<Hassan[SC]> Therefore I have no real problem wth that
<Hassan[SC]> Its just a moral objection
<Hassan[SC]> I never said I "Hated" TUP
<Hassan[SC]> I just dont like the way they do things
<GokuJones> /sigh SO if TUP got it wrote into law that they could have a party line, thats fine?
<Draaglom> Agreed.
<Bestie> you were contolling the direction of the arguement goku, Hassan was merely answering your questions
<Hassan[SC]> Ok - its not WRONG that they have a Party Libne
<Hassan[SC]> *Line
<Hassan[SC]> I just dont agree with it
<GokuJones> yet you agree with the government line
<Hassan[SC]> When the Government decide something, each Congressmen votes of their own accord
<Draaglom> Erepublik - forums = next to nothing
<IndieKid> yeah
<PatrickR> Aye
<Hassan[SC]> But this is the way the government chooses to operate
<PatrickR> The NPO is going to get rolled
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<Hassan[SC]> And many people agree with it
<PatrickR> Wrong channel <_<
<Hassan[SC]> So we do our best to follow it
<GokuJones> but ingame the governmenmt line is enforced
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<Hassan[SC]> That is because we are on the forums, and have agreed to the laws we make for ourselves
<Hassan[SC]> and as a Congressmen, on the forums, we are expected to follow them
<GokuJones> which is what TUP does
<GokuJones> switch HoC for party froums, and Hoc for Ingame
<GokuJones> so we are back to jealousy I think, as the pther parties cant hope to ahve such an organisation
<Hassan[SC]> You're expressing yourself onto me?
<GokuJones> they may not even want one
<Hassan[SC]> Im not active in any Party
<GokuJones> never said you where
<Hassan[SC]> So I dont see your point of me being jealous
<PatrickR> The LSD and the MDU both have similar levels of organisation, expressed in their constitutions and used to different ends
<PatrickR> Why would we be jealous?
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<Hassan[SC]> Each person joins each party for different reasons, so if they want it to be run like TUP, they can join TUP
<Hassan[SC]> not my problem
<GokuJones> I'm talking about the people who dislike TUP
<IndieKid> like me
<IndieKid>
<Hassan[SC]> People like and have different ideals for how PARTIES should be run
<GokuJones> As I see mocking of them wuite alot, about them being totalitarian
<Hassan[SC]> You cant rationalise people's viewpoints sometimes
<Hassan[SC]> sometimes thats just what they believe
* hoskin whistles
<GokuJones> Well I think it is unfounded, and would rather have them be constructive
<Hassan[SC]> Just because they dont agree with you doesnt mean they're unconstructive
<GokuJones> mentioning they are totalitarian in every other thread aint constructive
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<GokuJones> anyway I have an article to write, cya

[malta_1990]

Tbh, its a convention for all congressmen to vote Yes in-game and not in law.

[PatrickR]

Then mention that to Hassan :)

[RomanSoldier]

i really dislike that man....

no not Hassan..hes awesome

goku, he thinks hes 100% right all the time even tho he hasnt even been here 1 full month yet...

[DaRuler]

what a nub and hes from Wigan in RL......PIE EATER

[Meghan]

get that hairy Indiekid out of my face, that little an old female french poodle showed his true colors on Bob's House....

[Divinitywolf]

To be honest I've talked to Iain and he's a nice guy but tends to get a lot of blame for TUP and people always seem to have a go at him.
Perhaps this is the same with Goku although I don't agree with Goku's way of arguing here as he did just think he was 100% right.

One of the reasons I left the UK was because of things like this. People in the UK take the game too seriously and theres so much in the UK that seems to follow real life. TUP is argued to be a "professional party" yet we have a chance to make an eWorld and we end up completely copying real life?

Its pointless! If we have the chance at a new world, lets make things different, more interesting instead of being uncreative and just copying current ideas!

[malta_1990]

TUP is argued to be a "professional party" yet we have a chance to make an eWorld and we end up completely copying real life?

Voters like the professional attitude though.

[Divinitywolf]

TUP is argued to be a "professional party" yet we have a chance to make an eWorld and we end up completely copying real life?

Voters like the professional attitude though.

Theres nothing wrong with a professional attitude but you can be too professional at times which I've seen in people, that sucks the fun out of the game as it makes it feel like real life.

[malta_1990]

Imo, I think other parties think people at TUP are just totalitarian bastards.

[Divinitywolf]

Imo, I think other parties think people at TUP are just totalitarian bastards.

I don't think people should generalise like that.
I talk to Iain on msn and he's a really decent guy, yet people on the forum present him as some serious and annoying person.

[malta_1990]

Imo, I think other parties think people at TUP are just totalitarian bastards.

I don't think people should generalise like that.
I talk to Iain on msn and he's a really decent guy, yet people on the forum present him as some serious and annoying person.

I am in TUP and Iain is a great guy and always listens.

[malta_1990]

:Harpsicord: :Guitar:

[DaRuler]

Iains alright and I respect him for holding his ground over the Bob Boblo HoLs thing but he can be a bit abrasive sometimes.

[Divinitywolf]

Iains alright and I respect him for holding his ground over the Bob Boblo HoLs thing but he can be a bit abrasive sometimes.

Yeah but sometimes he's just representing the party's views and he gets all the fallout from peoples anger.

[Meghan]

get this on-topic poodle out of here :evil:

[Divinitywolf]

get this on-topic poodle out of here :evil:

no.

[Ariel]

TUP is argued to be a "professional party" yet we have a chance to make an eWorld and we end up completely copying real life?

Voters like the professional attitude though.

Theres nothing wrong with a professional attitude but you can be too professional at times which I've seen in people, that sucks the fun out of the game as it makes it feel like real life.

Maybe they're just old people IRL.

Um. Oops.

[Divinitywolf]

haha you've got a point there!

[DaRuler]

I agree.

[Divinitywolf]

I agree with your.. um agreeance?

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